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| RealSociedad | Jul 25 2014, 05:02 PM Post #1 |
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Who would win this war? |
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| + Pelador | Jul 25 2014, 05:36 PM Post #2 |
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Assuming nukes aren't used for some reason then E.U and USA. USA, England and France probably have the top 3 armies in the world. I'm not sure about Russia but China and N.Korea use conscription to get their soldiers. Not an efficient fighting force at all. Russia is not the super power that it once was. I think that they all get humiliated in less than a year. |
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| TheACE | Jul 26 2014, 01:22 AM Post #3 |
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Top five official USA Russia China India UK |
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| + Pelador | Jul 26 2014, 03:27 AM Post #4 |
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Are you only looking at numbers? Some countries use conscription which boosts the numbers significantly. Yet the quality drops just as much as the numbers go up. I know for a fact that the USA, England, France and Germany all have the best tanks. Canada, Isreal and the UK have the best special forces. England also has one of the best intelligence agencies in the world. So numbers don't really mean s***. |
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| TheACE | Jul 26 2014, 03:49 PM Post #5 |
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The art of war would tell you differently. Soldiers are individuals as well as a team. Quantity and quality have a very delicate balance. That's why insurgency and guerrilla warfare are still effective measures of counter attack. You need to factor in resources (A number), destructive output (A number), defensive capability (A number), reserves (Numbers), patriotism (Not a number, but an abstract concept that can be a variable), training (Measured in hours by curriculum, hours are numerous), time (also a number) and a NUMBER of other factors. There's a lot more than just throwing tanks and jets at something in a war Pelador, it's much more complex and carefully calculated. |
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| + Pelador | Jul 26 2014, 04:07 PM Post #6 |
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Conscripts are counter productive. They have little to no morale. They're poorly trained, their equipment sucks and as soon as things get tough they surrender. They can't fight as a unit effectively. Insurgents and guerrillas aren't conscripts. They choose to fight. Usually in far fewer numbers than a standard army or militia actually. Numbers don't mean s*** if they aren't trained, equipped or used correctly. |
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| TheACE | Jul 26 2014, 04:14 PM Post #7 |
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Ok, see the only issue that we have here is that you're thinking of war from the middle of World War Two. It's been over 70 years since D Day, war has changed just a bit from there. No military is dimwitted enough to send in their troops with knowledge of them being ineffective. No super power does that, that's a waste of resources. |
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| + Pelador | Jul 26 2014, 04:30 PM Post #8 |
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Argentina 1982 attacked the British controlled Falkland Islands with an army of conscripts. They were defeated by relatively weak British forces. Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979. Occupation lasted nine years until they pulled out. The whole operation was deemed a major failure. So actually, yes they are that dimwitted. |
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Jul 26 2014, 06:34 PM Post #9 |
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Well it depends on the bid put forward by the power brokers.After that the highest bidder of the respective country wins. |
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| Barbossa | Jul 26 2014, 06:45 PM Post #10 |
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Either way, if a war does indeed erupt between the west and the east, we're just gonna be caught in the crossfire given the duplicity of our 'neutrality,' if we have any left after being in Germany's pockets for a few years now. |
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| TheACE | Jul 26 2014, 08:30 PM Post #11 |
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Oh I am gonna hit you with a filibuster cannon so hard they're gonna change my name to President Trunks. 1. New Drafted Soldiers (Or if you like the archaic term, conscript is fine too) applies to ANY new soldier. The difference in any military conflict is experience. You're new until you've experienced something. The well trained and EXPERIENCED soldiers of the number 5 super power England (hardly "weak") defeated them with superior tactics and weaponry. Because they knew what they were doing and were fighting Argentinians. 3rd world as hell. 2. The US held Iraq for years as well. Holding a country is considered a military victory. The USSR has done sloppy work in the past (Or do you not remember Georgia) but they still decisively won conflicts. Military might is hardly determined on a single battle/engagement. 3. |
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| yokip | Jul 26 2014, 10:07 PM Post #12 |
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The economy has the biggest role in this. If you start with 100 dollars your going to make a better business with manufacturing better gadgets. Were else with 50 dollars you will make cheaper products in huge quantity just to compromise for the badder quality. The list might go like this. 1) EU / USA 2) China 3) UK / France 4) Russia - India 5) North Korea Edited by yokip, Jul 26 2014, 10:11 PM.
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| + Pelador | Jul 26 2014, 10:15 PM Post #13 |
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The difference more than anything is morale. If you are forced into the armed forces against your will then you are not going to fight nearly as hard. It's pretty straight forward actually. There is much more chance of a force surrendering if they never want5ed to even be there in the first place but the government is holding a loaded gun to their heads. North Korea? Please. They can't even go 24 hours without a power blackout. Most of their people are starving and they have pretty much pre industrial healthcare standards. You think a nation as isolated as them, who can't even get their missiles to work properly, is going to put up any kind of fight? It would be an even bigger hammering than the coalition against Iraq in 2001. Edited by Pelador, Jul 26 2014, 10:18 PM.
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| yokip | Jul 26 2014, 10:29 PM Post #14 |
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Only including the ones on the title. |
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| Dharma King | Jul 26 2014, 10:35 PM Post #15 |
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If this is conventional war....E.U and U.S.A stomp...but if this is nuclear war..no winners, everyone dies. |
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